if you try to challenge him he will play the disbelief papyrus phase 1 song, but if you decide to chat with him you can talk about his reality which is a job as a minimum-wage fry cook, wear's one of his works pots to apply more of a final boss theme, works at an unknown fast food restaurant in Hobart Tasmania, scared he's gonna lose his fry cook job to robots due to recent news articles, but thinks using a gun in the fight is too far, has a big imagination and you can tell, real name is ethan.